For Beo, money determines priorities: "Don't expect me to do the same as I do for paying clients that have critical servers managed by me. I know also we should care for members security but its (sic) not a responsability (sic) we should take eavily (sic)." Beo
The Portuguese investigators cleared Robert Murat, but Bren and Bennett have expressed their doubts
If inside info was worth money, Photon’s made Laffin a millionaire.
Laffin can’t spell genious (sic)
Photon thinks the sexual abuse threads are ‘dangerous.’ But just to the site.
Laffin likes Tony Bennett, but would be happy to know whatever Viv had on him.
Laffin has made specific threats involving Molotov cocktails.
Laffin has made general threats including "I know where some of them live, they'll regret crossing me."
Bren thinks it’s all OK because, after all, people get upset when they’re unfairly accused of shagging goats. Apparently being unfairly accused of killing your child is something one just sucks up.
Bren’s opinion of Bennett, at some point, was ‘not very high’. Thankfully she is/was bound and determined the forum would not ‘be used as a platform for his campaign.’
Stevo, on an unrelated matter, thinks Bren ‘lost it’
Maybe she did. Bren won’t pass on admin info to just anybody, but she’s certainly passed it on to Stevo.
But sometimes she tells him to stop outing members.
Janz says Bren thinks some respected members are ‘mentally challenged.’ Luckily, Janz says Bren doesn’t think that’s a banning offense.
Miffed thinks Bren needs support "despite her clumsiness and sometimes hasty or stupid decisions."
Stevo told Humanist who told Kezwalk ‘Bren owns porn sites’
Bren says she’s never voting BNP. NEVER.
Scylla gave Bren advice on how to rule the forum with an iron hand. I’m glad I’m not her husband.
Bugalugs doesn’t multitask: "All i can say is one day....when my nippers are all grown up......i would do time with great pride for a shot at Kate McCann. You have yourself a merry Christmas too Big L."
Bugalugs, at some point, thought the 3As was "dirty". She'd know from dirty, yeah?
Bugalugs called a most respected member "little lafin arsin"
ShuBob thought the mods were "stifling" debate
Cushty thinks Amaral was ‘mad’ to associate with the 3Arguidos
Estelle cuts and pastes articles even if she "doesn’t believe them."
But she gets away with it, others say, because "she's chummy with some mods and bjr"
Beachy "no longer feel(s) the same way I used to feel about 3A." Ga, how long would she blather if she did?
Rival old bagpipe Chimaera bolted on the "embarrassingly unpopular" Oxford event. To be fair, one actually has to get up off one’s arse to attend before one could then bolt.
Chimaera did however get off her arse to do a ghoul run through Rothley. Probably it was on the way.
Doris gets pissed off when respected members are all talk and no action. But really, dear, there’s only so many sheets on a loo roll. Not everybody could have some stuck to their shoe even if they wanted to.
Doris’ pet name for Viv is Andrex.
Doris so hoped someone could add some threats in a bubble coming out of Gerry McCann’s mouth. Potty mouth.
Doris is no Scarlett O'Hara.
Builda will not cyberstalk any woman over 49.
Sez Bren: "Now if I was going to out someone, I would find all the info on the person who I thought they were linked to and go from there."
Also sez Bren: "What is discussed in Mod box about IP tracing etc should stay there."
Abuela gives info on people’s private lives to Tripz, as long as he won’t tell anybody
Stevo and princess_leia cyberinvestigated Vivida
DrachenSachen port scanned. Kinda sorta against the TOS of, oh, every internet service provider on the planet. Except in Russia. Possibly.
Snivelling Mole likes to cyber snoop on Facebook.
Arguida’s rule of thumb is "trust no one" on the site.
Anna Smith's view is "VITRIOLIC WEBSITE FORUM IS HOME FOR SPINELESS COWARDS." Now where did she get that idea?
At the worst of times, one respected member was "scared I might take someone's baby".
People like Tony_Q make Ferretmama ashamed to be British.
Tony_Q pms people things like: what the fuc.k are you going on about now shit.forbrains?? He also doesn’t like the ‘Jew press.’ He remains unbanned.
Even though Captain Moron doesn’t like him.
Captain Moron also doesn’t like to mod alone at night. She doesn’t "know what to do with the weirdos." Mind you, that's all she has left these days, so possibly she's revisited that position. Revisiting is like when someone resigns forever and returns within 48 hours.
On an unrelated matter, Roisin wonders "who the hell" Captain Moron thinks she is.
Mumof5 wonders what 3As members are like real life. Not in a good way.
Hardly anybody has anything good to say about Blossom.
Most days, most members seem to wonder who everybody else is. Thankfully, they all have an opinion:
Chimaera: SallyGardens is Kay Scarpetta
Chimaera: Granofeleven is Kay Scarpetta
Chimaera: fft is Kay Scarpetta
Blondie2: Earthspirit is Norah and Harmony and FFT and Kay Scarpetta
Logicman: FarFrom is Gerry McCann
Bren: FarFrom is ‘a close family relation from Gerrys (sic) side’
Potsy: Earthspirit is FFT
Blondie2: Earthspirit is a member of Team McCann
Earthspirit: "many of the vile people on this site are team mccann"
Blondie2: Tylersmum is a member of Team McCann
Blonide2: Tylersmum is a team of people
Chrissie: Sentinel is a member of Team McCann
Chrissie: Tripz is a member of Team McCann
Christie: Laffin is a member of Team McCann
Beachy: Gestalt is a member of Team McCann
Foxylady: Caralina, Stinky Sardine and Albym are Team McCann
JillyComeLately: Caralina is a member of Team McCann
LillyoftheValley: nicked is a member of Team McCann
JillyComeLately: nicked is a member of Team McCann
JillyComeLately: " Team McCann had, at the last count 135 chimps/astroturfers/sock puppets on their payroll"
Donna: Emma2 is a member of Team McCann
Sally66: DeBunker is a member of Team McCann
Beachy: DeBunker is justlurking and a member of Team McCann
Potsy: newbie is DeBunker
Coldwater: DeBunker is twiglet1963, RRR, and HarveyHumphries
K4REN171: DeBunker is BJR, Nbrado, Princess Sukita, MoeSzyslak, Nicholass, TIREDOFTHEBS, FarFromThe, Scylla, Justin, Elizabeth, Shoperoo, and Poppyflowers (who also uses the fourm to flood with posts from other sources Plath, Beach, Cookie, Betwise, Tiny, Mairyhinge, Muratslawyer, Muratsglasses, Lindz07, DRACHENSACHEN/Rhodes, and P20)
LaffinAssassin: DeBunker is SlyFox
Blackwater: DeBunker is Nbrado
ScotBot: Nbrado is DeBunker in disguise
Vexiana: Rhodes is DeBunker
ShuBob: "To be honest, I can't keep up with these debunker people"
jkh: "who is DeBunker?"
Wiseman: DominicanDave is sammysnake and AliceM
Marian: Tony_Q is Tony Bennett
Marian: Hippychick is CrystalTips and MazMod
Lizzy: ChinaGirl is Kate
Blacksmith: Gestalt is Mumbles
Miffed: Rumpleteaser is Verbatim
Miffed: Positron is Verbatim
Dinsdale Piranha: Verbatim is Wag
UncleMonty: Lovemedo is Verbatim
RRR: Verbatim is positron and snoop and rocket
Miffed: JREWING is Helmetheid
R_MuratsGlasses: Blondie is Nbrado
Blondie2: Nbrado is Grimly
Arguida: Nbrado is DixonCox
Arguida: Nbrado is "a bunch of other people"
RRR: Sir R is Prof Moriarty is SirR
Whatever: SallyGardens is Gardenia
Coldwater: Blossom is Terrybull
Hellothere is TheGoverner and maybe CheeseMaster
Vancouver1: Gestalt is Gerry or one of the T9
SnivellingMole: DairyMilk is Tyra
Rammy: JillyComeLately is Go Get ‘Em Goncalo
LilyoftheValley: Fox is one of the T7 (where’d the other two go? Woof)
Joline: Fox is Rosie
Oldcrone: Truth M’Lud is NurseProstlink
LaffinAssassin: Splodgeboy is Truth M’Lud
Blacksmith: Logicman is Coldwater
Blondie2: Sentinel says Coldwater is PsychicSarah
Rammy: Sentinel is Retribution
Chrissie: Sentinel is Gerry
Sentinel: "they are delusional fools, some of whom believe that i am gerry mccann or Clarence"
But what’s in a name? It’s the thought that counts. And because I’m a sniffer dog, not an air traffic controller, lets 100% let the respected members speak for themselves in the backstabbing department:
"beachy is another fantasist. probably worked in the police typing pool." Sentinel
"Beachy is shocking because she gives quite different life stories to you, which insidiously wrap around your own life. When she realised I was from Suffolk, she fabricated a story about her family home in Ipswich. When I asked her on the Mirror Forum (when I had a different name), she told me a different story, based around Brighton. I have pages of stuff from her, as do others, and they are totally irreconcilable. And her "cases" are complete fiction." JimH
"Beachy is a fraud and judging by the number of supportive pms I've received, I don't think I'm alone in this belief. I have most her pms saved and although it pains me to say it (I do honestly like a lot of her posts), she fabricates stuff in a pathological and disturbing fashion. Even Redsquare (who I think is pretty much impeachable in terms of integrity) thinks she is full of bullshit." Pogacsa
"Hi Laffin is a resident. As a rule of thumb, any name with 3 consonants, or even multple ie 6, will usually be a resident and pro Mccann and/or pro Murat." TTW4
"laffin is a disruptor...believe me..." Tripz
"I am not defending Laffin by any means but you must understand when things like you shag goats are printed on sites it is only natural to get very offended and go after these people." Admin
"you probably see my topic in repsonse to kezwalk whata bitch he/she is" carlymichelle
"Snivelling Mole gets right up my nose, as she just wants to gossip about them in a bitchy way." horsegirl
"Oh Lorriane WTF....Nasty what a bitch (Gran)..." Willow
"you've got to admit that carlymichelle's post are probably the most irritating on the forum... i know the poor lady is ill but...anything to deter her from posting is a good thing no?" astromum
"Bugalugs is a cheeky git - telling me to go and shut the door behind me. Who do these people think they are?" Poppyflowers
"Bugalugs was so rude without reason....didnt realise it was so bad with some people here to be honest..." pinkpixiexx
"He hasn't changed. He was an asshole then, and he's an asshole now. (Nbrado)" Beachy
"OMG have you just seen what he's (Tony_Q) said, although admin have deleted it l thought l'd send it to show you what an idiot we've conversed with tonight." Margaret
"the man's an idiot. you can drive a coach and horses through his arguments. good job he wasn't a barrister." Cushty
"What do you think Stevo's up to? Is he aligned with TB, just playing naive or is he really an idiot?" LittleGreyCell
"TRIPZ is a BULLY and you are no better for sticking up for him." Potatoe Head to jjp
"Sorry, had you (Qwerty) down for a moron for a while - obviously just a pious prick - Daddy." Markmirfin
"I have no time for the ignorant man (Stevo). I can't bear to enter his threads." xxdelly
"Very strange individual (Stevo), I know that some of us could be construed as being a bit obsessed in trying to work out what has happened to Madeleine but multiple websites are obsessive imo." xxdelly
"What a twat. (Stevo) " writer lynn
You have to wonder whether they actually hate the McCanns as much as they hate each other. But they won’t tell you that to your face.
PS: A copper’s advice to Bren: ‘switch off the PC.’
CarlyMichelle is still waiting for an answer on her offer to mod.
Laffin assures us he is of ‘previous good character.’
And I purposely left out the fact that jjp advertises for sex hook ups with couples and says he has an average sized dick. Which is scary because everybody adds at least three inches on the internet.
Really, what is it you awful people actually think you're accomplishing? Even if you were right with your wild, discredited theories, your character wouldn't survive the first paragraph in News of the World.
More to come. WOOF!
Showing posts with label Beachy. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Beachy. Show all posts
Tuesday, June 30, 2009
Monday, June 15, 2009
I don't trust this one or this one or this one or this one... and that's just respected members
RRR To Pogasca
That was a great post - the most interesting I've read on here in ages. Thanks for revealing the extent of CW's fraudulence - though many of use had known it for a long time, it was good to be told directly the extent of his idiocy.
And it's certainly opened up a can of worms about Beachy, whom many have suspected for a long time too. I too am surprised it was all allowed to stay and be seen!
I honestly don't know about Amaral. In some ways I hope it isn't him, as it would seem to diminish him by association with some truly stupid loonies. But on the other hand I'd really like this whole thing to progress, by whatever means; and if it involved him being sued, then so be it. I can't see anything else moving this on, though frankly them sueing anybody also seems a forlorn hope. In the meantime all we can do is have some fun at others' expense, after they've had fun at all of ours.
That was a great post - the most interesting I've read on here in ages. Thanks for revealing the extent of CW's fraudulence - though many of use had known it for a long time, it was good to be told directly the extent of his idiocy.
And it's certainly opened up a can of worms about Beachy, whom many have suspected for a long time too. I too am surprised it was all allowed to stay and be seen!
I honestly don't know about Amaral. In some ways I hope it isn't him, as it would seem to diminish him by association with some truly stupid loonies. But on the other hand I'd really like this whole thing to progress, by whatever means; and if it involved him being sued, then so be it. I can't see anything else moving this on, though frankly them sueing anybody also seems a forlorn hope. In the meantime all we can do is have some fun at others' expense, after they've had fun at all of ours.
Yeah well I don't like you either and I've found a better club and it's way nicer but I am still going to bloviate you til the end of time
Subject: All The Recent Events Have Saddened Me
quote=beachy "I was unfairly attacked in the Lounge on Friday night (had very little to do with the major issues facing the forum at the time). I created my own thread and said my piece, when I PMed a mod the offensive threads were removed, and after I sent out some PMs, most of the people involved in slagging me off got in touch and graciously apologised, which I thought showed considerable class, and which I gratefully accepted.
Nevertheless, I find that I no longer feel the same way I used to feel about 3A. This has happened to me before, and I brushed it off, but life is too short to keep dealing with cr*p if one does not have to do it.
I may go ballistic and get myself banned some day, but I want to be clear: No one will ever run me off 3A. So long as I am still a member in good standing, I will come here and post whenever I feel like it. I am still all about justice for Madeleine McCann; however, this is not the only place where one can work towards that end. Whilst 3A was down I revisited another forum where I had previously registered but not posted and found that I really enjoyed it there, so that is where I will be spending most of my time from now on."
Hi Beachy,
What was all that about? With there being less news around these days, many tempers seem to be running high with the ensuing frustration. But I believe the calm is normal, I'm sure the PJ are still working hard on the case and getting ends tied up. Do you think it will go to court this year, even without a body?
Regards,
Scarf
(Scarf, in case she was too busy performing her traditional Welsh casket dance and one woman show, no, it won't be going to court this year. Or any year. Ever. Move along, people, there's really nothing to see there. Woof.)
quote=beachy "I was unfairly attacked in the Lounge on Friday night (had very little to do with the major issues facing the forum at the time). I created my own thread and said my piece, when I PMed a mod the offensive threads were removed, and after I sent out some PMs, most of the people involved in slagging me off got in touch and graciously apologised, which I thought showed considerable class, and which I gratefully accepted.
Nevertheless, I find that I no longer feel the same way I used to feel about 3A. This has happened to me before, and I brushed it off, but life is too short to keep dealing with cr*p if one does not have to do it.
I may go ballistic and get myself banned some day, but I want to be clear: No one will ever run me off 3A. So long as I am still a member in good standing, I will come here and post whenever I feel like it. I am still all about justice for Madeleine McCann; however, this is not the only place where one can work towards that end. Whilst 3A was down I revisited another forum where I had previously registered but not posted and found that I really enjoyed it there, so that is where I will be spending most of my time from now on."
Hi Beachy,
What was all that about? With there being less news around these days, many tempers seem to be running high with the ensuing frustration. But I believe the calm is normal, I'm sure the PJ are still working hard on the case and getting ends tied up. Do you think it will go to court this year, even without a body?
Regards,
Scarf
(Scarf, in case she was too busy performing her traditional Welsh casket dance and one woman show, no, it won't be going to court this year. Or any year. Ever. Move along, people, there's really nothing to see there. Woof.)
Just between you and me...
Sally66 writes:
Hi Senti
Somethings being bugging me for a while but didn't really want to voice it, but I've decided to bounce it off you as you're very grounded and will tell me straight if you think I've lost the plot, so here goes
I don't 100% trust Beachy- (Some Respected Members: No! No!)Very knowledgable about forensics and procedure etc and will willingly share this knowledge. Anti McCann but any mention of Government involvement, press gagging etc she is straight on the case arguing against. I find this adamant position a little bit disconcerting
Maybe I'm just questioning peoples motives more as I was very naive about forum life originally as first time I've been involved in a forum with this case and I took people at face value originally.
Btw it finally dawned on me quite a while ago the CW is probably a WUM after I spent months defending him!
Hope all is well with you
Sally
(Hint: if it had to dawn on you CW is probably a WUM you should probably not contribute too heavily to this search for justice. Or maybe the PJ is hiring. Woof.)
Hi Senti
Somethings being bugging me for a while but didn't really want to voice it, but I've decided to bounce it off you as you're very grounded and will tell me straight if you think I've lost the plot, so here goes
I don't 100% trust Beachy- (Some Respected Members: No! No!)Very knowledgable about forensics and procedure etc and will willingly share this knowledge. Anti McCann but any mention of Government involvement, press gagging etc she is straight on the case arguing against. I find this adamant position a little bit disconcerting
Maybe I'm just questioning peoples motives more as I was very naive about forum life originally as first time I've been involved in a forum with this case and I took people at face value originally.
Btw it finally dawned on me quite a while ago the CW is probably a WUM after I spent months defending him!
Hope all is well with you
Sally
(Hint: if it had to dawn on you CW is probably a WUM you should probably not contribute too heavily to this search for justice. Or maybe the PJ is hiring. Woof.)
Saturday, June 13, 2009
"I simply cut and paste articles and posts on my thread even if I do not believe them"
quote=Estelle Hi waterfall
I have been sent pms from other posters who feel the same way as you do in the past. I read her posts and do note that she seems to advise "Leave it to the police." Perhaps that is the best thing to do really, who knows?
I note lately that anyone saying anything different than charge them with neglect is treated as if they are going to be charged with libel with the McCanns. Few people seem to be willing to say more than "accident" by herself (as if she could kill herself) and they came back and found her dead.
I am always being told that it will be simple....but I think it is complex...many layers....and a lot of planning...perhaps the faked abduction was not very planned as they could not rely on others to lie for them....except J*** ****** and the doctors pretending they checked.
Distraction and confusion is what ***** says works best so police time is lost.
Beachy is a lady who wants to have followers and treats others as more lowly than herself. She writes well so I simply cut and paste articles and posts on my thread even if I do not believe them so I can go back and read them one day.
Thanks for your email...beachy does not have a suspicious mind..so would not have made a good detective....but also does not want to say things that most people do not want to know about yet.
Cheers
Estelle
I have been sent pms from other posters who feel the same way as you do in the past. I read her posts and do note that she seems to advise "Leave it to the police." Perhaps that is the best thing to do really, who knows?
I note lately that anyone saying anything different than charge them with neglect is treated as if they are going to be charged with libel with the McCanns. Few people seem to be willing to say more than "accident" by herself (as if she could kill herself) and they came back and found her dead.
I am always being told that it will be simple....but I think it is complex...many layers....and a lot of planning...perhaps the faked abduction was not very planned as they could not rely on others to lie for them....except J*** ****** and the doctors pretending they checked.
Distraction and confusion is what ***** says works best so police time is lost.
Beachy is a lady who wants to have followers and treats others as more lowly than herself. She writes well so I simply cut and paste articles and posts on my thread even if I do not believe them so I can go back and read them one day.
Thanks for your email...beachy does not have a suspicious mind..so would not have made a good detective....but also does not want to say things that most people do not want to know about yet.
Cheers
Estelle
Friday, June 12, 2009
They done wrong. I said I done wrong but I also said lets move on. They never done nothing like that.
Hi Beachy,
That is brilliant news, and I think the McCanns made a fatal flaw going to the USA. Hopefully someone will talk and start to unravel this case. Thanks for all you are doing.
Your were thinking of MCXLIII, I think, you have selected a good bunch of posters to help compile things, another to consider is Albym. He has worked tirelessly on the DVD as well.
Yes I saw what they done (for the last time it's DID! I saw what they did. Jesus, you're no Eliza Doolittle) on muratfan's blog. They have also exposed all the friends of one of the mods including family and members (Their members?! This is a family blog! Any further remarks like that and you will be bannned for the sake of respected posters. Woof. Eddie.)
I was contemplating of doing a post and asking members to start complaining to these sites and try and get them taken off the internet. The are really pushing the libel laws but the trouble is libel in the UK is pretty expensive business and also google owns a lot of the blogs and they don't seem to care what is posted on the blogs.
Well done you are a real star.
Bren
Xx
That is brilliant news, and I think the McCanns made a fatal flaw going to the USA. Hopefully someone will talk and start to unravel this case. Thanks for all you are doing.
Your were thinking of MCXLIII, I think, you have selected a good bunch of posters to help compile things, another to consider is Albym. He has worked tirelessly on the DVD as well.
Yes I saw what they done (for the last time it's DID! I saw what they did. Jesus, you're no Eliza Doolittle) on muratfan's blog. They have also exposed all the friends of one of the mods including family and members (Their members?! This is a family blog! Any further remarks like that and you will be bannned for the sake of respected posters. Woof. Eddie.)
I was contemplating of doing a post and asking members to start complaining to these sites and try and get them taken off the internet. The are really pushing the libel laws but the trouble is libel in the UK is pretty expensive business and also google owns a lot of the blogs and they don't seem to care what is posted on the blogs.
Well done you are a real star.
Bren
Xx
Wednesday, June 10, 2009
I'm not one for talking about people behind their backs in PM but
Hey impartial! I had no idea it was you, good to see you.
Before I begin, I'm not one for talking about people behind their backs in PM but I'm going to have to make an exception here because alarm bells are ringing loud and clear in my head right now.
My PM from beachy matches yours! All those names match. She sent me the PM out of the blue, as I said before, so I think she was on a definite mission. I don't believe it was subconscious now, I am very very suspicious of her motives.
I could never understand her stance on the three senior police officers all apparently committing suicide within a week or so of each other. She kept insisting there was no link between the three and no link to this case or Jersey. I really thought she was being incredibly naive for an ex-police officer. She's said other seemingly naive things (I'll elaborate if you want me to) Now I don't believe they were naive things to say, I believe they were deliberate and said according to an agenda.
She has also pushed Rebelo as being honest and the best etc. I'm now very suspicious of that, especially taking into account the cover-up of Casa Pia.
(redacted, beyond petty)
If it's all made up, she's fooled many of us but not all. I know a couple of others on the board have more or less said she isn't what she appears to be. Now I find myself agreeing with them.
Have you noticed how she's made several posts since the verdict and not mentioned it or given her opinion? Not like the 'beachy' of old, eh?
Regards, Jilly
Before I begin, I'm not one for talking about people behind their backs in PM but I'm going to have to make an exception here because alarm bells are ringing loud and clear in my head right now.
My PM from beachy matches yours! All those names match. She sent me the PM out of the blue, as I said before, so I think she was on a definite mission. I don't believe it was subconscious now, I am very very suspicious of her motives.
I could never understand her stance on the three senior police officers all apparently committing suicide within a week or so of each other. She kept insisting there was no link between the three and no link to this case or Jersey. I really thought she was being incredibly naive for an ex-police officer. She's said other seemingly naive things (I'll elaborate if you want me to) Now I don't believe they were naive things to say, I believe they were deliberate and said according to an agenda.
She has also pushed Rebelo as being honest and the best etc. I'm now very suspicious of that, especially taking into account the cover-up of Casa Pia.
(redacted, beyond petty)
If it's all made up, she's fooled many of us but not all. I know a couple of others on the board have more or less said she isn't what she appears to be. Now I find myself agreeing with them.
Have you noticed how she's made several posts since the verdict and not mentioned it or given her opinion? Not like the 'beachy' of old, eh?
Regards, Jilly
Friday, May 29, 2009
What do respected posters (and ex cops?) really think of Goncalao Amaral? And why will they not say all this openly, so that it can be discussed?
Sent: Thu Apr 16, 2009 5:43 pm
by
W***y, I noticed your post on one of the threads about Goncalo Amaral yesterday, and I think that you and I are of one mind in feeling some concern about the way things are going.
I admire the fellow - I really do - but he is beginning to say some things that I do not believe are correct, and I fear it's going to seriously compromise his credibility. Even ShuBob was questioning him yesterday on the thread about the joint programme he did with Hernani Carvalho.
These are the major inconsistencies I have noticed in things he has said, and there are probably others:
(1) He was "not consulted" on the investigation after he was removed as head of it (appears in his book).
I have archived two pictures of him and Paulo Rebelo taken together after Rebelo became head of the investigation. In one of them, they are just walking across a street together. In the other, they appear to be talking cordially and animatedly at a table. Plus, there was the article from the Lusa press service saying that they were seen going into the PJ office in Faro the morning after Rebelo got back from the rogatory interviews, and the hatchet job that one of the British tabs tried to do on both of them for continuing to work together after Amaral was removed. I do not doubt, from what I hear of Paulo Rebelo (who far outranked Amaral in the PJ hierarchy anyway) that Rebelo would not have asked Amaral or anyone else how to conduct the investigation, so possibly it's a matter of semantics, but it seems clear to me that they were at least in touch.
(2) Amaral says that he believes Madeleine died by accident in the apartment, possibly whilst listening at the window to her father talking to Jez Wilkins and falling off the couch. That occurred about 9.00-9.15. Whilst cadaver scent can develop in less than the 2 hours often quoted, I have been told by a dog handler that it takes at least 90 minutes, and this was backed up by things I've seen on line. There wasn't enough time. I thought at first that perhaps the McCanns took Madeleine's body out of the apartment and then brought it back whilst removing the remainder of their things after the PJ forensic technicians finished. But I there is someone I met on another forum who works for the PJ and knows one of the forensic technicians who did most of the crime scene processing on 4 May, and she says that cannot have been the case; after the forensics people finished with the apartment, the McCanns were escorted back to remove the remainder of their belongings and then escorted to another apartment, and apt. 5A was left sealed off for several days.
(3) Amaral's book says that Gerry and Kate had both thrown themselves on the floor beside the bed and appeared to be sobbing ("without tears") when the GNR saw them at the apartment. In the documentary, he has them ON the bed, arses skyward. It was ridiculous enough already, and I don't doubt their little act was staged, but I am sure Amaral had input in the making of the entire documentary, so why contradict what you've already said? It just gives McCann defenders a sword, as Richard Nixon might have said.
(4) Amaral is appearing to get bolder, almost by the day, in saying that he thinks paedophilia had something to do with Madeleine's death. I almost never agree with that idiot vivida and have put her on my foe list, but the other day even she pointed out that Madeleine's death cannot have been both an accident and the result of paedophilic activity, and she's right. Even if someone had no intent to kill her, if they accidentally killed the child (suffocated her, perhaps) in the midst of another felony, that would be regarded as a homicide in every country in the world. It isn't clear just what was said in the Carvalho/Amaral interview, but some of the Portuguese viewers thought that Amaral was saying that as far back as mid-May 2007, there was "evidence" of paedophilic activity. Aside from the obvious question (You were in charge of the investigation at that point. If you had evidence, why didn't you make them arguidos?) I think he can only have been speaking of the statements from the doctors Gaspar, which I do not consider evidence of paedophilia. In the first instance, Dr. Arul Gaspar, the husband, says he observed Payne's weird gesture at table but does not express any concern about it.
(5) Amaral's statement, repeated during the interview with Carvalho yesterday, that Gordon Brown himself called the Leics constabulary to ask them if Amaral had been removed a full two hours before Amaral's boss (I presume they mean Guilhermino Encarnacao himself) heard it. I do not believe it, W***y. I just flat do not believe that the Prime Minister of the UK would call a local police station to ask a question like that, He'd have someone from the consulate in Faro call, or he'd have the UK ambassador check it out for him. If I didn't have doubts enough myself, I have three contacts (not 3A members) who know policemen who are currently on the force in Leicester or were in the not-too-distant past. All three of them tell me that, so far as their contacts know, that did not happen. Amaral would have had to have heard that from someone from Leics. As I said, I don't believe it's true, but even if it were, Brown would necessarily know who he called, and that the information had to have been given out initially by that person. Would Amaral give up another policeman like that, especially someone who had his best interests at heart enough to let him know what had happened?
(6) And the biggie, so far as I am concerned: Amaral has said that he was removed because he was getting close to solving the case. He wasn't. Simple as. Bringing Martin Smith back from Ireland would not have done it. You've been around law enforcement all your life, so I think you will probably agree with me: I don't think the prosecution could have risked having Smith make that "I'm 60-80% sure it was Gerry McCann, but I wasn't wearing my glasses and no one else in my family except my wife agrees with me" statement on the stand. If he had, the defence would have made mincemeat of him. I think that, at most, Smith and his children Peter and Aoife (who did not agree that it was Gerry) would have been put on the stand to describe the man they saw carrying the child and hope that the judges would see the similarities to Gerry in their descriptions.
In my opinion, Amaral dropped the ball. He should have set up a reconstruction during the first week, whilst he still had all the tapas 9 in Portugal. To his great credit, he now says he wishes he had done that, but the simple fact is that he had the best chance to solve this thing whilst Gerry, Kate, and all their friends were within his reach. Once the tapas 7 started returning to England, hope faded every day, because they were not made arguidos and there was absolutely no way to compel them to come back.
I don't want to post this on the board. Amaral is one of the few people willing to take a risk for Maddie, and I don't want to put him down in public. But I'm afraid that he is near the point where he may destroy his own effectiveness.
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W***y, I noticed your post on one of the threads about Goncalo Amaral yesterday, and I think that you and I are of one mind in feeling some concern about the way things are going.
I admire the fellow - I really do - but he is beginning to say some things that I do not believe are correct, and I fear it's going to seriously compromise his credibility. Even ShuBob was questioning him yesterday on the thread about the joint programme he did with Hernani Carvalho.
These are the major inconsistencies I have noticed in things he has said, and there are probably others:
(1) He was "not consulted" on the investigation after he was removed as head of it (appears in his book).
I have archived two pictures of him and Paulo Rebelo taken together after Rebelo became head of the investigation. In one of them, they are just walking across a street together. In the other, they appear to be talking cordially and animatedly at a table. Plus, there was the article from the Lusa press service saying that they were seen going into the PJ office in Faro the morning after Rebelo got back from the rogatory interviews, and the hatchet job that one of the British tabs tried to do on both of them for continuing to work together after Amaral was removed. I do not doubt, from what I hear of Paulo Rebelo (who far outranked Amaral in the PJ hierarchy anyway) that Rebelo would not have asked Amaral or anyone else how to conduct the investigation, so possibly it's a matter of semantics, but it seems clear to me that they were at least in touch.
(2) Amaral says that he believes Madeleine died by accident in the apartment, possibly whilst listening at the window to her father talking to Jez Wilkins and falling off the couch. That occurred about 9.00-9.15. Whilst cadaver scent can develop in less than the 2 hours often quoted, I have been told by a dog handler that it takes at least 90 minutes, and this was backed up by things I've seen on line. There wasn't enough time. I thought at first that perhaps the McCanns took Madeleine's body out of the apartment and then brought it back whilst removing the remainder of their things after the PJ forensic technicians finished. But I there is someone I met on another forum who works for the PJ and knows one of the forensic technicians who did most of the crime scene processing on 4 May, and she says that cannot have been the case; after the forensics people finished with the apartment, the McCanns were escorted back to remove the remainder of their belongings and then escorted to another apartment, and apt. 5A was left sealed off for several days.
(3) Amaral's book says that Gerry and Kate had both thrown themselves on the floor beside the bed and appeared to be sobbing ("without tears") when the GNR saw them at the apartment. In the documentary, he has them ON the bed, arses skyward. It was ridiculous enough already, and I don't doubt their little act was staged, but I am sure Amaral had input in the making of the entire documentary, so why contradict what you've already said? It just gives McCann defenders a sword, as Richard Nixon might have said.
(4) Amaral is appearing to get bolder, almost by the day, in saying that he thinks paedophilia had something to do with Madeleine's death. I almost never agree with that idiot vivida and have put her on my foe list, but the other day even she pointed out that Madeleine's death cannot have been both an accident and the result of paedophilic activity, and she's right. Even if someone had no intent to kill her, if they accidentally killed the child (suffocated her, perhaps) in the midst of another felony, that would be regarded as a homicide in every country in the world. It isn't clear just what was said in the Carvalho/Amaral interview, but some of the Portuguese viewers thought that Amaral was saying that as far back as mid-May 2007, there was "evidence" of paedophilic activity. Aside from the obvious question (You were in charge of the investigation at that point. If you had evidence, why didn't you make them arguidos?) I think he can only have been speaking of the statements from the doctors Gaspar, which I do not consider evidence of paedophilia. In the first instance, Dr. Arul Gaspar, the husband, says he observed Payne's weird gesture at table but does not express any concern about it.
(5) Amaral's statement, repeated during the interview with Carvalho yesterday, that Gordon Brown himself called the Leics constabulary to ask them if Amaral had been removed a full two hours before Amaral's boss (I presume they mean Guilhermino Encarnacao himself) heard it. I do not believe it, W***y. I just flat do not believe that the Prime Minister of the UK would call a local police station to ask a question like that, He'd have someone from the consulate in Faro call, or he'd have the UK ambassador check it out for him. If I didn't have doubts enough myself, I have three contacts (not 3A members) who know policemen who are currently on the force in Leicester or were in the not-too-distant past. All three of them tell me that, so far as their contacts know, that did not happen. Amaral would have had to have heard that from someone from Leics. As I said, I don't believe it's true, but even if it were, Brown would necessarily know who he called, and that the information had to have been given out initially by that person. Would Amaral give up another policeman like that, especially someone who had his best interests at heart enough to let him know what had happened?
(6) And the biggie, so far as I am concerned: Amaral has said that he was removed because he was getting close to solving the case. He wasn't. Simple as. Bringing Martin Smith back from Ireland would not have done it. You've been around law enforcement all your life, so I think you will probably agree with me: I don't think the prosecution could have risked having Smith make that "I'm 60-80% sure it was Gerry McCann, but I wasn't wearing my glasses and no one else in my family except my wife agrees with me" statement on the stand. If he had, the defence would have made mincemeat of him. I think that, at most, Smith and his children Peter and Aoife (who did not agree that it was Gerry) would have been put on the stand to describe the man they saw carrying the child and hope that the judges would see the similarities to Gerry in their descriptions.
In my opinion, Amaral dropped the ball. He should have set up a reconstruction during the first week, whilst he still had all the tapas 9 in Portugal. To his great credit, he now says he wishes he had done that, but the simple fact is that he had the best chance to solve this thing whilst Gerry, Kate, and all their friends were within his reach. Once the tapas 7 started returning to England, hope faded every day, because they were not made arguidos and there was absolutely no way to compel them to come back.
I don't want to post this on the board. Amaral is one of the few people willing to take a risk for Maddie, and I don't want to put him down in public. But I'm afraid that he is near the point where he may destroy his own effectiveness.
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